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patch #4391: Require tech to mine deserts / glaciers ("oil wells") in standard rulesets?

Submitted by:  Jacob Nevins <jtn>
Submitted on:  Thu 02 Jan 2014 03:32:11 PM UTC  
 
Category: rulesetsPriority: 5 - Normal
Status: Ready For TestPrivacy: Public
Assigned to: NoneOpen/Closed: Open
Planned Release: 2.6.0

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Thu 18 Sep 2014 08:37:21 PM UTC, comment #3:

- Rearranged terrain help strings to avoid extra work for translators

(file #22273)

Marko Lindqvist <cazfi>
Project Administrator
Thu 18 Sep 2014 01:19:46 AM UTC, comment #2:

> I would propose something like giving Glacier tiles
> "Mining_Possible" effect only when Refining is known. For
> Desert tiles we can either give "Mining_Possible" when
> Construction is known, or we can make Construction requirement
> for Oil Well.


Attached patch takes the "Mining_Possible" route with Desert too. Changes classic, experimental, and Multiplayer rulesets.

(file #22260)

Marko Lindqvist <cazfi>
Project Administrator
Thu 02 Jan 2014 04:00:55 PM UTC, comment #1:

> Obviously civ1/civ2 rulesets shouldn't be changed if that's how
> those games behaved, although that does leave the incongruity
> of ancient oil derricks.


Oil Well was not added to civ/2 but they have Mine regardless of terrain. Those rulesets are supposed to be rules-, not graphics-wise, compatible.

As for other rulesets, oil wells are known from 347 CE ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_well ) so it would be nice to allow Desert Oil Wells relatively early and Glacier Oil Wells later.
I would propose something like giving Glacier tiles "Mining_Possible" effect only when Refining is known. For Desert tiles we can either give "Mining_Possible" when Construction is known, or we can make Construction requirement for Oil Well.

Marko Lindqvist <cazfi>
Project Administrator
Thu 02 Jan 2014 03:32:11 PM UTC, original submission:

Now that we have a cosmetically separate "oil well" extra (patch #4131), how would people feel about changing the default rules so that some tech (say, Refining, or Industrialization) or other advancement (e.g. Engineer units) is required to build it?

Quite apart from the cosmetic tileset issue of seeing oil derricks built by bronze age cultures, I think it's not great that you can get value out of glacier tiles without any technology -- it feels like that should require fairly advanced technology.
(I could be persuaded that primitive mines in the desert should be allowed, but in that case perhaps we should use the regular mine sprite in the absence of the oil resource... but that leaves the question of how to avoid seeing an oil derrick until advanced tech comes along, which is tricky -- don't want to prevent a primitive mine on a tile simply due to the presence of oil.)

Alternatively, we could only allow mining at all in the presence of the oil resource (and suitable tech) -- maybe only for glacier.

(Obviously civ1/civ2 rulesets shouldn't be changed if that's how those games behaved, although that does leave the incongruity of ancient oil derricks.)

What do people think of this sort of gameplay change?

(Will post to forum once devs have had a chance to point out any reasons why these proposals can't be implemented.)

Jacob Nevins <jtn>
Project Administrator

 

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file #22273:  OilReqs-2.patch added by cazfi (5kB - text/x-diff)
file #22260:  OilReqs.patch added by cazfi (5kB - text/x-diff)

 

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    Date Changed By Updated Field Previous Value => Replaced By
    Thu 18 Sep 2014 08:37:21 PM UTCcazfiAttached File-=>Added OilReqs-2.patch, #22273
    Thu 18 Sep 2014 01:19:46 AM UTCcazfiAttached File-=>Added OilReqs.patch, #22260
      StatusNone=>Ready For Test
      Planned Release=>2.6.0
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